So, there’s this band that posts here on Alonetone, not saying any names. Well, they’re either the most talented band ever to post music here, or they’re using Ai to enhance their music, or worse, the music is entirely Ai generated.
Ai is theft. It’s stealing components of art that was created by people, who receive no recognition nor compensation.
Ai does not belong on the same platform as dudes with crap guitars and mediocre vocals…(that’s ME and my band.)
Yoooo, thanks for bringing this up!
So, alonetone doesn’t currently have a policy regarding AI usage in music making.
Should we? Maybe! We can discuss here on the forum.
I would also encourage everyone to read through the existing community guidelines: https://forum.alonetone.com/t/alonetones-guidelines
It’s especially important to me that we “Assume no malice” like the guidelines state. Please note that it’s not appropriate to message other users (privately/as a guest/etc) to interrogate them over suspected AI usage. Please let’s keep the focus on our own music-making (as it has the last 15+ years here on alonetone).
I absolutely abhor using AI to generate music and surely think it does not belong on alonetone. Bandcamp for instance has made it also very clear that they do not tolerate it on their platform.
At the same time, I’d be interested to listen to what OP refers to, to draw my own conclusions.
EDIT: scratch the last line, just looking at the front page was sufficient…
I saw this last night but was too tired to reply.
I’ve been in a lot of conversations about AI elsewhere. Personally, I do not like how AI is getting used and marketed in general… I can see where this is all heading, I watched Terminator 
However, I do not get upset by AI like some (quite rightly) seem to. Even though I don’t particularly like it, I can’t personally say “it sucks” because I think it’s actually very interesting to see/hear what humans have managed to get machines to do… this is SERIOUSLY “wow!” stuff, I think that’s missing in many AI conversations.
I don’t actually think it’s stealing, either. It’s just that a machine can learn to “rip off” The Beatles a lot faster than I managed to do! (where “rip off” = learn their techniques, chord changes, melodic foibles, and so on, to create new music).
… it’s just that I personally don’t want to listen to music generated entirely by a machine.
Or so I thought!!..
Sometimes, I’m fooled - and it turns out I can be emotionally moved by such art… my reaction to that is “oh well, who knew?” and “by the way, that’s amazing!!!”
On another site I’m on, there have been very entrenched views expressed very forcefully, and some truly creative people who would like to explore AI tools felt alienated and left the site, never to return. I nearly left because I could see how they were treated and responded to… I haven’t left yet, but I’m unlikely to post music there anymore.
On this site, we have some truly creative people who could possibly be in the same position as those hounded off the other site… I DO NOT WANT THAT TO HAPPEN HERE.
For this site, I’m with Sudara:
The bolded is SO important. I do not care if someone else wants to create using AI and post it. I’ll give it a listen, if I like it, I’ll say so… but if you create too much for me to get through, and the majority doesn’t move me, then I’m likely to stop listening or clicking on your stuff (which is what I’ve done to the example I think we’re talking about).
Personally, I’m more focussed on my stuff and what I’m creating, and if someone wants to listen to it, cool, if no-one does, then: whatever, I didn’t make it for them, I made it for me and anyone of like mind…
I’m not sure we need to or even should ban/block AI generated on here. If I was starting out now, instead of being in my 60s, I can see that using AI tools could be a VERY valid way of starting to create music. I know folks who can write songs but can’t sing… I know folks who can sing but can’t play anything… I kind of don’t see why they should be prevented from creating recordings of their songs. And if the “creative” bug bites them hard enough, they’ll want to learn how to do the element that they used AI for at the start.
Also, I know folks who use AI to generate stuff, then take the ideas generated, learn to play them and use them in their own creations. The finished thing was all played by a human… but the composer was, er, both the human… AND AI. Is this wrong? I don’t feel I have any right to judge this.
Also, I use EZdrummer’s “Band Mate” to suggest grooves and patterns based on my playing. Like it or not, that is AI (although I’ve come across folk who say it isn’t, I think they’re conning themselves).
Also, I use a Thesaurus and Rhyming dictionary while writing lyrics, I always have, I regard those as song-writing tools. Nowadays, the ones I use are all online… guess what? Fast pattern matching? … it’s AI.
AI is with us already, has been for YEARS (eg does anyone use a spell checker?), and AI isn’t going away.
I know when I create a thing… that’s what gives me the buzz. And if my created thing includes AI generated elements that seem to fit ok, faster than I can do it, then I’m happy to do that… BUT I would probably note in the blurb that that’s what I did (I’d actually be quite proud I’d managed it, I have NO idea how to do it at the moment )
Yeah, I’ll follow this discussion with great interest. I may or may not have more to say, but I don’t want to get in any arguments, life’s too short…
But @sudara I’d like to say that I personally have been REALLY encouraged by your first post on this subject here 
, you’re still running the same ship that made me go “omigod, this is where I want to post my stuff”
I don’t like ai…it’s the ultimate cheat. As a dude who puts a lot of work into getting the guys together, recording and mixing an actual band, I find it all so discouraging. We aren’t looking to become recognized for our efforts, but it’s nice knowing that other musicians are hearing our stuff, and might even enjoy some of it.
I’m sympathetic to people who are uncomfortable with their own talent…or lack there of. Still, they always have the websites that isn’t explicitly for “music makers”.
personally I think people should state what they use… I always do, or almost always do… and look, whatever man… but I am not going to spend my time listening to machines make music. I can listen to my lawnmower or weedeater instead. I want to hear the birds, the bees, the water… I had suno cover a few of my songs and it was amazing…
I can spot AI in a heartbeat… and don’t get me wrong some people can produce music just as good… but… it takes alot of time and talent… and the best studios and knowledge and techniques are required… so generally on any of these sites I will listen for about 30 seconds and go “Thats AI” and there are more than a couple on here that do that… so please “SAY WHAT YOU ARE DOING!”
It is my opinion that the world does not need “AI”. The world just needs a lot more “I”, and more kindness for the poor people, and more food for the hungry, and a lot more PEACE!
I dislike AI as a creative tool in any medium, music or visual art, but understand why some folks use it, just to make things easier, or experiment. I went to an open mike last night and a performer had backing tracks AI had created. So be it.
My beef is with the infrastructure required and where this is all headed. Millions of jobs will be replaced, the massive surveillance networks even now being used, as well as water and energy sucking data centers.
But as it relates to alonetone, ban or not, I’m easy. But I will avoid listening to it.
I don’t know if I have ever noticed anything super egregious on this site… I guess that means I am not listening to enough bands…
May I suggest that, if you have time Sudura, add a AI generated checkbox and that checkbox removes it from the Currently Kicking Ass chart. This has to be for when AI generates the entire song - too many tools are getting AI rolled into to them regardless if it actually does anything positive. I myself use a voice generation program and it generates the voice like pianoteq generates piano sound - from a type of physical modeling. The AI in the voice generation program puts together the voice bank but not the music - I have to write the music in midi as I would any other midi sample set. This shouldn’t be disqualifying as I’m writing the melody or harmonies. This is different from writing a prompt and getting a result - that result stole from the lexicon of music on the internet and rearranged existing songs in violation of copyright as the work is derivative… just - good luck to find what was violated because the database is so big and parts are grabbed from all over.